The Invisible You - Energy Medicine & Mapping the Human Biofield with Thornton Streeter

Can we actually see the human energy field? According to Dr. Thornton Streeter, the answer is yes — and it’s changing the future of medicine.
In this episode, we dive deep into the frontier of energy medicine and subtle anatomy with biofield scientist and inventor Dr. Thornton Streeter, founder of the Centre for Biofield Sciences in India. Thornton shares the groundbreaking work behind the Biofield Viewer — a revolutionary imaging system that makes the aura and chakras visible in real time.

We explore how this cutting-edge technology offers energy healers visual proof of their work, helping bridge the gap between belief and embodied experience. Thornton reframes chakras as "lenses of consciousness" and outlines how energy medicine is ushering in a new health paradigm — one based on physics, frequency, and fields.

With over 25 years of research, Thornton has collaborated with global universities, software engineers, and even UN initiatives — all focused on validating the subtle realms that mystics and healers have worked with for millennia.

In this episode, we explore:

• What the human biofield is and how to view it
• How the Biofield Viewer works and why it matters
• Chakras as lenses of consciousness
• The future of medicine: from chemistry to frequency
• Visual validation for energy healing
• Bridging subtle energy with modern diagnostics
• Making the invisible visible — for real

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:04

Welcome to the Future of Wellness, exploring self-transformation and holistic healing to unlock your inner potential. Hosted by Christabel Armsten and Keith Parker. Hello and welcome to this episode of the Future of Wellness. Today, we're joined by Thornton Streeter. Thornton Streeter, dsc is an innovative biofield research scientist, expert in energy medicine and founder of the Center for Biofield Sciences in India, where he has pioneered the integration of subtle energy fields with modern health diagnostics. Since 2012, dr Streeter has collaborated with software engineer John Ketchpole to develop a subtle energy imaging system called the Biofield Viewer, which reveals light interference patterns between a controlled lighting environment and the human biofield. With over 25 years of research experience, he has collaborated with various universities and research institutions to advance the understanding of the human biofield. Notably, he has been instrumental in projects funded by United Nations NGO initiatives aiming to explore innovative health solutions that bridge traditional and modern approaches. It's a real pleasure to welcome you here to the episode today.

Speaker 2 1:24

Thank you, my God.

Speaker 1 1:26

Might we start, I wonder, before we get into your story, with defining exactly what the biofield is?

Speaker 2 1:32

Absolutely. Yeah, I mean there's some facetious ones. I mean there's a difference between a dead person or a dead body and a living person. You know, it's all that we can measure that emanates from the human being. I think from a scientific perspective we could say it's made up of lots of different components. One, for example, would be the human biophotonic emissions. So there are all kinds of different kind of classifications.

Speaker 2 2:03

I'm quite comfortable with saying it's, you know, it's the human aura. Silly, you know. And then you may ask what's that? But I think fundamentally it's also that subject that's been the most taboo in all of science. There's a very extraordinary dye which I think is called diacin. It's more difficult to acquire for a research lab than any other chemical on Earth, even more difficult to get a license to handle the nuclear waste. And this particular material was purported to be used to create screens to allow us to see the biofield. So you know I'm not a naive fellow, having spent absolutely 25, 35, god knows how many years it is now researching the biofield to clarify that it is in need of further study.

Speaker 3 3:07

So, from a personal standpoint, what drew you to focus on this area of research? Why the biofield? Why the aura?

Personal Journey into Biofield Research

Speaker 2 3:14

Ah, that is a good question. I mean, again, I've got a funny answer, which is I banged my head really hard. I dived into the shallow end of a swimming pool when I was about 20 years old and I actually had to have my head stapled together from just under my hairline all the way back. And again, I joke that it's yeah, I got trippanned, um, because I had some very Japan, um, because I had some very bizarre experiences of a feeling of energy loss after the wound was supposedly healed. It just didn't feel right, you know.

Speaker 2 3:59

And so I remember being interested in inquiring about what this might be, and I remember yeah, I mean just my journey into subtle energy started out with this process of feeling energy loss and biofield activity around my head, but also, to be honest, a sense of of seeing from my own perspective, you know, in other people, crikey, you know what, what am I seeing?

Speaker 2 4:31

These, these colors. So I think to a certain extent, um, you know, I probably regained abilities that I had previously had drummed out of me or schooled out of me. I have quite a strong opinion that the process of looking at the pencil on the desk and then at the blackboard, and then back at the pencil and then at the blackboard, or let's call it the whiteboard, and looking at the pencil for 15-odd years. That process of entrainment of the human sight, the student's sight as they look towards the teacher and their own desk, actually weirdly profoundly reduces our ability to see biofields naturally, and I think I just went through a process of shaking that up. I mean, it's called clairvoyance, isn't it? In the French, that just means clear sea.

Speaker 1 5:29

Can you tell us a little bit, thornton, about what it is that you do and how you see? You mentioned colors there, but just touching base with what people might call ESP right, you've just identified it there as clairvoyance. But what's your experience when you're looking at an individual and you're tuning into the aura or biofield, just without any of your mechanics or you know equipment? What is it that you're experiencing?

Speaker 2 5:50

I mean, to be honest, I think I developed the biofield viewer so I don't have to have that conversation with somebody. I'd like to show somebody what's actually there and not what I presume I'm interpreting. I think the more technology is developed we'll get a deeper understanding of all of the different facets of the biofield. But essentially, you know, just from my perspective, if I'm looking at someone who's yeah, I think my attention gets drawn to the asymmetry. It's a kind of a weird process rather than yeah, I think, yeah, I don't know whether that's the deductive nature of one individual or a trained individual, but yeah, I tend to observe the asymmetry and certainly that's, you know, a key carry-through for wellness. You know a key carry through for wellness.

Speaker 2 6:44

You know someone whose biofield is symmetrical, um, has incredible properties and it's a, and my analogy would be um.

Speaker 2 6:55

You know, when you have a tent and you put all your, your tent up correctly with with all the, the battens and the sort of tension, and then all the guy ropes and the pins are in at the right angle and you get in that tent and, of course, if the wind picks up and suddenly there's a storm or it's very, very windy, you're probably still gonna sleep because your tents can handle it, it is put up right. There's a tensegrity, you know, a a high level, and in the same way with the biofield. If the biofield is symmetrical, it too can handle this, you know, increase in, in in brightness. So instead of the, the qualification being sort of handling the wind, the symmetrical biofield with high integrity can handle being brighter, and brightness is to me the measure of health, of well-being.

Speaker 2 8:00

The brightness of the field. The brightness of the field Because, like the sun in Icarus, you know, no virus or bacteria can get anywhere near a bright sun. That's shining, and that's the nature of health that we actually kind of burn off anything that you know is heading towards us. That we're not choosing to digest or love, you know, on our own.

Speaker 3 8:27

So you founded the Center for Biofield Sciences. I'm curious about, like, let's say, your mission in finding it and then what's happened now in the past 20 plus years as you've been working there. Could you give us an overview of the kind of evolution of the research you've done and maybe some key findings? I don't know what jumps out to you.

Speaker 2 8:50

Oh, absolutely, yeah, I mean it's been such a beautiful journey and I have to say, you know, originally I bought a building in the UK, the United Kingdom, in a city called Exeter, and I chose Exeter because it already, very unusually, had two departments of complementary medicine at the university. One was teaching courses in how to and the other was doing actual kind of fundamental research, and so I figured that was a hot environment to dwell, as it turned out, and ironically one of them was run by a kind of a plant, by big pharma, and he spent most of his time shooting down homeopathy and then he got disgraced. It's absolutely classic fellow. So basically, what I'm saying is that Britain was not, 25 years ago, the environment, open minded environment that I thought it would be to do research into the human biofield, and I think it's. You know, I genuinely think that in 1904, when Morley did his research to prove or disprove plasma, you know, at that point Big Pharma had got it, created carrot, and could consequently, you know, beat any scientist around the head who was interested in doing. You know, physics rather than chemistry in regard to human health. So there really is an amazing story there. I mean, you know a huge number of bestsellers.

Speaker 2 10:33

But you know that took us suddenly to India, and you know 1998, I mean, you said 2012 back then. I've been doing this much longer than that, but anyhow, we suddenly found ourselves at the United Nations World Peace Center, which is an amazing building built by this sort of vast team of stonemasons with an incredible energy field, in the middle of the jungles of Puna. Well, it was at the time, and I think you can look it up. I mean, it's a wonderful reference. It's called the World Peace Center at MIT in Puna, and the dean of the university gave me a suite of offices in that building because he understood the most important thing that we could be studying right now is a human biofield, and that he was as stunned as I was that for 50 years it had been disqualified somehow, and I realized that there was a sense of needing to catch up. So we did go from feeling like we're in quite a hostile environment in Britain to suddenly a very welcoming environment. And it's interesting because Indian scientists themselves have been so conditioned that they think homeopathy and healing is quackery too. But they also have a part of themselves which sits with their mother and does yoga and chakra meditations, so they're kind of cult, whereas I haven't met very many Western scientists at all who haven't been indoctrinated that this is some kind of quackery and ironic because we're working with technology now. I mean, if I was working as a clairvoyant, you know they could have an argument no, that the tea leaves and the pendulum that I'm swinging didn't quite stack up. But the reality is we have a visual device and I think you know again, as this is an audio process, it's exciting that you know people could search biofield viewer, say, on YouTube, and see something.

Speaker 2 12:50

But essentially, you know, and to answer your question, the Center for Biofield Sciences was suddenly in the right place at the right time and we were then able to do a huge number of studies, First of all, to be honest, self-funded, because we didn't really know what we were doing and we were honest about it. And as we were developing devices, we need to calibrate them. So we spent a good decade busting our asses, creating something called the Atlas of Disease States, collaborating with hospitals all over Pune when they did a cancer camp. We'd be down there. They would do camps every weekend and we'd be there with our entire team logging hundreds of people who supposedly had specific diseases and none of them looked the same to us. So again, in a way, we were slightly back to the drawing board. We either had to say there's no such thing as a disease state or just accept that the current modern medical interpretation of a disease is currently inappropriate, let's say. And so we found ourselves categorizing all these hundreds of people in different ways. They may have cancer, but for us it was a throat chakra case. Do you know what I mean? And so you know that in itself added another 10 years to us, because we realized we were now swimming against the current in a world we didn't recognize.

Speaker 2 14:24

And all the labeling and pigeonholing of modern medicine to us was not helpful and actually was probably unhelpful. And to a certain extent, you know, we work with non-invasive technology. All the devices our team has developed do no harm, and yet it's quite difficult to collaborate with someone who is, say, like CT scanning or MRI or all these other medical devices to us are actually quite harmful, not only from the perspective you know that we see perhaps things getting worse but from a biofield perspective. Yeah, we don't recommend that type of screening. So I think biofield science then had to go out on its own and kind of prove itself because we realized we were in a slightly different world. But I have to say that, you know, integrative health and functional medicine and all the understandings of whole body medicine that have come through, even in a hostile environment, has sort of reached this point, I think, where we all are now. Where, you know, we as a team have developed an imaging technology which we supply to healers all over the world and they use it to see what they're doing all over the world and they use it to see what they're doing. And so there isn't you know it's we didn't.

Speaker 2 15:51

We were kind of waiting around for not a kind of recognition, if you like, but a sense of when are we going to have this discussion where we can potentially move health care forward, move healthcare forward. And, for example, I live in a country you know, Great Britain, where the entire health service is one big package and it's funded by our taxation and a lot of our taxation goes to pay for it. But they absolutely adamantly, 100%, only practice allopathic medicine. Everything else is an eyewash. For example, there was even an international homeopathic hospital and they closed it down because they said that homeopathy is quackery, because it couldn't possibly work, Just the fundamental science of how can you treat like with like. They're so confident in their ignorance that, yes, I feel like the phoenix needs to rise out of the fire somewhat, but we need to have a jolly big fire first.

How Biofield Viewer Technology Works

Speaker 1 17:00

You're describing the complexity of allopathic and holistic really nicely there. I'd like to go back to the tech a little bit, because you just started opening up to what it is exactly that you're using in terms of your scientific equipment. So can you explain how it is that you and your team go about measuring the biofield? So what's an overview of the biofield viewer? How does it work? I think that's going to help our audience understand what it is that you do and bring to the table.

Speaker 2 17:27

Well, it's a beautiful story because I have been collaborating with the same man our whole lives. We were born in the same village and we do not have a single bit of ink between us. There's no contract. Our business relationship between us there's no contract. Our business relationship, longer than Microsoft is based on a twinkle and a handshake.

Speaker 2 17:51

That's what I would say about the technology, and John Catchpole is one of these geniuses, one of whom come along, you know, in the computer industry, I guess, every few years. And so, if you go into the history of John catchpole, he first of all started creating program, non linear programming to do with fractal, fractal mathematics, and I did too. I made a film with Pink Floyd called the Colors of Infinity, which was this sort of journey into math, because this is the basis of our technology, is the math. Because if your math ain't good, you're only going to make something to peer out of like a letterbox. But if you really understand the math, math, then you can create a lens to look at whatever you want, and that's, that's obviously what we were able to do. So, um, it's all about the, the tech, the, the sophistication of our programmer and our the depth of his understanding of non-linear programming, but I think if anyone wants to go a little deeper into that, then, yeah, it's free. On YouTube, watch our movie, the Colors of Infinity, because you'll get a lot of aha moments in that. You'll see how we got to where we got to when you watch that, and that's from the 90s, um.

Speaker 2 19:23

So basically what we're doing is we're taking um the video camera or the lens, just like the human eye, and we're allowing it to see what it can actually see, whereas if you get a sony camera or any kind of video camera, they do this thing called sharpen, and actually sharpen means is that they they remove the data from the image. Um, I don't know why they would do that, but they do do that. Um, so we're just basically taking a very basic webcam lens and we're not allowing any kind of corporate sharpening, and we're just taking all the different ranges of information that the, the lens is observing, fundamentally the ccd chip is observing, and when we're giving them a level of differentiation, um, so we're, we're super or sort of yeah, hyper differentiating the gradations, so that something that we've had again trained out of us by looking at the pencil and looking at the blackboard, you've got to realize this is a global act to make human beings feel like horrible human doings. It's gone on sort of systematically for a couple of hundred years and that's why I said biofield science is taboo. It takes the very independent and global network of silo-based researchers to have held up. And again, I hope I'm not getting too metaphysical here. But fundamentally we're using a video camera and that's why now I can say to you gee, biofield's viewer is not some mysterious technology, that you've got an appointment, got to go book an appointment with someone in town. No, we've been working all the way through COVID, because I got approached by the British government to use our technology as a COVID cam and I was like, yeah, but what about the third eye? How are you going to explain that? Yeah, and they didn't call me back after that.

Speaker 2 21:51

So we've now put the biofield viewer, the live biofield imaging, in everybody's phone so that I don't even need to explain to you what it is.

Speaker 2 22:04

I can say here you go, have a look, because now every single person is empowered to track the progress of their own healing journey. And that to me, is very important because I don't want to replace a whole load of psychotic, lunatic medical doctors who've got expensive holiday habits and addictions, with a whole load of lunatic psycho healers who don't know what the fuck they're doing either. I would rather empower the individual to navigate their planet, and so that's why we put the biofield viewer in the phone, because it's just, it makes sense to us. And then it answers the question with oh OK, I'll have a look, because there was a risk with that. But it's a risk I am prepared to take because the buck stops with me. Also, having developed this technology for 35 years with John Catchpole, we've seen so many hundreds of thousands of people. We even launched this phone app two years ago, just so we saw the impact that it had on people. We're not in it for the money, and when you're not in something for the money, you do it right.

Speaker 1 23:23

Just before Keith does something, I just want to check in. Is there a sentence or two you could summarize, Because we're a non-visual format? If somebody looks using your app, using your technology, they look at an individual with the intention of seeing the biofield. What's the sort of summation of what they're seeing? Are they seeing colors and shapes and forms around the body? Are they seeing chakras, meridians, colors?

Empowering Healers and Patients

Speaker 2 23:44

Absolutely. I mean, the biofield has its own anatomy and physiology, in the same way the human body does, and it is an integrated system. But of course we have to now teach it as kind of layers so that people can then understand what they've perhaps not been taught by accident and see how it all drops in together. So essentially, you know, when we're looking at a plant and we see the bud of the flower and we see the petals, we all get to see them in the same book, on the same page. But with human biology we see the bud of the flower and we see the petals. We all get to see them in the same book, on the same page. But with human biology we have the glands in the sort of a gray's anatomy, but the chakras, the petals are in another gray's book altogether called Sacred Mirrors. The reality is is that the meridians, the chakras, the acupuncture points, the nadis, the mama points, all the different interpenetrating layers of the biofield form this amazing structure of which there is a huge history in traditional medicine, Thousands of years of knowledge in multiple cultures, culminating in kind of modern iterations like Barbara Brennan's. You know hands of light, you know the fully integrated understandings of these thousands of years of knowledge. So you know we're developing technology that actually has its own manual.

Speaker 2 25:04

And what's even more bizarre is that when people say to me, Thornton, why haven't you put any dials in your biofield viewer? And I say because the moment someone's looking at their own biofield they realize they have their own dials. This is our psychic ability, and biofield viewer is just allowing people a little nudge sort of deeper into their higher sensory perception. But unless someone is surfing the board of selflessness and presence, which means having their heart center open, they aren't going to get anywhere near the sacred. You know there's a U-bend, there's a spiritual U-bend, like on a toilet. You know the mucky human thoughts don't get to penetrate deep, deep, pure spirit and that's kind of the mechanisms of the throat and the brow and the crown chakra, and so, yeah, we're seeing all this live in real time. What it means is, well, you need to study it for a while, but what we're really seeing is a dynamic or interplay between the human soul and the body that it's wearing.

Speaker 3 26:21

A brief pause to thank you for listening to this episode. If you're looking to take the next step in your transformation, find out how we can support you with our popular energy healing training, one-to-one private sessions, free resources and more. Visit energyfielddynamicscom to learn more. I want to come back to something you said that I find really interesting. Without having any knowledge myself of how the biofield viewer works, I was assuming like probably most people listening to this would have, that it would be about fancy cameras, really really high-end optics, and then and then really expensive technology to capture that information and be entirely proprietary, kind of like oh I need a really big, h, hunky, heavy, expensive and technically elite machine to be able to measure the field. But what you're saying is you're taking the limiter or the thresholds off of what cameras can already see and then focusing in on the micro gradations of what the information can pick up.

Speaker 2 27:39

Can you talk a little bit more about this and like, were you ever on the other side of assuming or working with that model of, oh, I need more expensive, more complex stuff versus this other method that you've arrived at work because it's not expensive enough? I mean, we get that mindset, but the reality is, is that people? Yeah, I mean, I mean clairvoyance means clear seeing, so we don't need any fancy equipment to do that. I mean, I think you really nailed it. By the way, um, you know, and your reinterpretation of what the biofield imaging technology is, um and um, yeah, well done for doing that. But yeah, I mean, it is that simple.

Speaker 2 28:17

Again, the issue is not in the technology, it's in the complexity of our biofields, and the facts have been hidden from us for 80 years. Apart from people like yourselves kind of working in unique silos, creating modalities of healing and supporting and building that family, you don't have a national health service, you don't have insurance paying for people to come see you. This is completely outside of the system. So, yeah, but I also think on a deeper level that you know my team is deeply spiritually motivated. We see ourselves as gatekeepers of sacred knowledge. We don't see ourselves as Bill Gates and you know anybody else. You know we're just supporting a revelation and we're really excited to be a part of that. We understand the implications of it are enormous a bit like America waking up to the fact that it's $37 trillion of debt. It's enormous. You know there's enormous things that are going on right now and so, yeah, rather than kind of shuffle about thinking that we should put a gray box on our machine in a trolley and sell it to a hospital for 10x, like everybody else does, we're just quite happy telling people yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 2 29:39

And, of course, the fact that we've put it in the phone is a technological marvel to create and do all this live in real time from the cloud. That's the amazing thing. We've definitely been aided by the fact that phones have gotten more sophisticated and have got more grunt and have got better cameras, but that is a slight advantage rather than you know any great thing. But you've also got to appreciate that, as gatekeepers, we decided to put it in the phone. We could have done that 15 years ago, but we only decided to do it last year because we felt guided. I mean, that's not a corporate manifesto, is it? It's something else. We kind of straddled two worlds. Our team, and we're quite happy to admit to it. Yeah, we were technologists. Yeah we're we're sex Sorry Software specialists, but the reality is we just hold in space for all the healers in the world.

Speaker 2 30:46

And the only slight correction I'd make about your intro is you called me an expert of energy medicine. I wouldn't say that. I've studied energy medicine. I've studied hundreds of different modalities in our research lab and they all seem to have one thing in common they all work incredibly well because they are interacting with the biofield. Not every therapist knows what they're doing, and so I'd love to see our technology involved in the training process so when healers are learning to do what they do, they can actually see it.

Speaker 2 31:20

And, of course, what does it mean? It's in the phone. Well, actually, if you get the Biofield Viewer, order it online, you can order the main system. You can actually run it live through a projector, which means that someone could be standing against a white wall and you may have a class of 100 people in front of you, but you can project their biofield live onto them in real time, chakra on chakra, a complete, direct overlay of the body. So then you can see the difference, the sort of emanations beyond the skin surface when you do that. But what's really incredible is when healers go up to this now created lights on operating holistic theater. They actually can see what they're doing and it's really powerful for showing and teaching other healers what we're up to.

Speaker 1 32:16

Yeah, thank you. That was going to be where I took this next, which is how is this technology going to be really incredibly helpful to holistic practitioners and in helping to highlight and identify, and demonstrably? I mean you spoke earlier about. You intended to create the technology there right at the beginning in order to replace what could be referenced as personal perception of the field, which is full of our own limitations and errors right In terms of the lens through which we're perceiving. And then suddenly we're looking at a technology that will allow a healing practitioner to demonstrably see change, transformation, whatever words we choose to use in working with a client directly. So is that what you're seeing? You're seeing practitioners using this technology. You know, maybe they're practicing different healing arts energy healing modalities, acupuncture, this sort of thing and you're seeing that the biofield viewer is demonstrating that change in the field.

Chakras as Lenses of Consciousness

Speaker 2 33:11

Yeah, for thousands of them, I mean literally, this has been our main family, as all of the professional practitioners who wanted to work with technology and show their Healees what they were doing. And I'm really glad you said what you did, because you said it so beautifully. I couldn't even emulate that. But the issue for us is not the healer. I think healers should have a tool which shows people what they're doing. We made this for the healee, we made this for all the people who came in, accepted wow, maybe they needed healing, someone had persuaded them that they're doing it. And just to sort of clear their sense of belief, because belief has a shadow of doubt. Of course, you either know something or you don't. And because none of these people know or don't know, it's very easy to show them the process of healing and explain it to them in a totally independent way that allows us to brush off all those scales of programming, so they can just sit there and observe the changes that are going on in each session that they have. And because what we're noticing is a sort of gradual structural realignments of the tensegrity, of the biofield initially, which then initiates a phase shift which we call healing, which is a bit like a pop, and it's when the biofield goes brighter. It's an actual instance. It's a bit like, you know, we've got a bucket, we're filling it up with water and we've got our plasticine and we're sealing over the holes in a kind of temporary supportiveness and suddenly the bucket can fill up on its own and overflow and wash itself on its own.

Speaker 2 34:55

You know, it's that sense of observing the healers holding space in support of a very beautiful natural process. And then it happens, and um and so for the healee to have witnessed it, they're like blown away. But we often get this kind of two step drag, you know, where you dance forward once and back to, and so they kind of dance off accepting and owning their own healing, and so these pictures provide a kind of bookends to ownership. Like I witnessed this amazing thing, I'm completely different. Now. I'm going to not let these doubts creep in. I'm going to hold this quantum stage shift until next Thursday, you know, and then I'm going to have another session and we're going to build on where we were until you know, I don't need those training wheels anymore, but I'll recommend them to somebody else.

Speaker 3 35:55

No, you're making a great point, because we see this a lot with um, with people that are studying with us, where, uh, for very good reason, people who come to study subtle energy work. Whilst they might have direct experience already or some kind of faith or belief in it, there's very often a gap of like really trusting or really knowing really clearly that something is working, that something's definitely definitely happening. Of course, for people who are more trained and skilled, that becomes more than a belief. It becomes a known and a very, very clear experience and understanding. But for people who are in that place of initial engagement or doubt that you said, having something to validate their experience can be a really, really powerful way for a person to lean more into something that can be very good for them.

Speaker 2 36:43

Yeah, yeah, I mean, to be honest, I consider it a bit like the sights. I mean you need to see what you're doing in order to get better at it. And so that's why I say that our technology and others like it herald the new era of kind of precision guided healing, where we aren't having to kind of like feel around in the dark. You know, you see healers with their hands groping around. It doesn't have to be like that. We can target our healing, um, dynamic, rather laser-like, and it's much more efficient. Of course, and because it's so infinite, I could create a video on meditation and guidance to not smoke and thousands of people could watch it, even in the future, and so that freshness that we have in our biofields and in our healing word isn't lost. And yeah, so it's very measurable. But there's something I'd like to say. You know, I mean I personally went on a journey for developing this technology with John Catchpole, and it's the journey of someone who gets to see people's energy fields for 20 or 30 or 40 years. I mean, I think it's 98. We first certainly before, before apple and before microsoft we developed this technology on an old archimedes computer. This is really old shit and it's only not known by everybody around the world because of how taboo our science is and how shadow banned we are. You know it's ironic, but it's just the reality of the situation. But what I would like to say is that when I first started scanning people, you know I'd give lectures. Let's say, just in lectures I'd always set up the biofield view at the back of my lecture so I could talk, and then each person, one by one, could be tapped on the shoulder. Go to the back of my lecture so I could talk, and then each person, one by one, could be tapped on the shoulder. Go to the back of the room, have their biofield image taken. If they had a phone they could even take a picture of it, but this predates phones, I can assure you and then at the end of the talk I can speak to everyone and they're already looking at their own picture, or they've already at least seen their own picture on the screen. And so, yeah, it's very inclusive.

Speaker 2 38:59

But what I would say is that in those days, like one in 100 people were blazing like a divine being and how we all can be, and it would be a little old lady who kind of trundled in at the end and shining away like a goddess and she'd come up on the biofield viewer and pow, you know, this sort of nuclear love bomb would take off and this sort of white explosion of light which is the normal state of a human being who's in the divine relationship. But so rare, so rare 20, 30 years ago. So rare.

Speaker 2 39:34

But then, over the years, as I traveled around the world and more and more people I realized were rejecting the programming and embracing their own kind of scenic route, there was an awareness, a sort of shaking off the shackles, if you like, of this suppression of living in a box. I mean, you know, a few hundred years ago, even then we realized sacking people in boxes is one of the most deadly things we can do. That's why we created cornicing. Now we've got rid of the cornicing and lowered the ceilings. I mean, houses and apartments really are death boxes. You know drinking water really is poison, are death boxes. You know drinking water really is poison. You know we really are terribly bedraggled rats that have an opportunity to snap out of this oppression we call modern society, I guess.

Speaker 2 40:23

And we noticed it. We noticed it over these decades. So now I can go and scan 100 people giving a lecture and 10 or 20 or 30 of these people are shining brightly like the divine truth that we all are, yeah, and that I find incredibly exciting. People ask me if I get demoralized. I'm like you've got to be kidding. The entire planet is getting it in a Mexican way. Be kidding, the entire planet is getting it in a Mexican way. It's a bit like a slow train crash, but that's because we're all so goddamn present.

Speaker 1 40:59

You mentioned that as being a sort of element of surprise, right or progress, at least in your journey. What's something else that's been the most surprising about this work, on this journey that you've been on?

Speaker 2 41:11

Well, to be honest, I mean you know that we see these wonderful pictures of organs and bodies and we learn that as medical students, as the human being, or even we see these amazing pictures in so many different cultures, of these bright, shiny things we call chakras and the mini versions, the acupuncture points. But I never really kind of got what that was. But having journeyed through this understanding, we realized that the chakras are actually kind of lenses of consciousness which allow us to operate in different dimensions, which allow us to operate in different dimensions. And you know we can talk about the seven major chakras at the moment we don't even need to talk about any more of them. But those seven major chakras give us ourselves, our truth, our story and the solution all in one go. I mean it's massive.

Consciousness and the Biofield Connection

Speaker 2 42:10

You know, when we take our first breath, when we're born, you know, and we emerge from someone else's base chakra, that activates this first chakra, the first dimension, you know. You know we've spent nine months reliving all the lives we've ever lived. We go through the chicken, the dinosaur, the tadpole, then we become all the human lives we've ever lived. We go through the chicken, the dinosaur, the tadpole, then we become all the human lives we've ever lived and all the murders and deaths we've ever experienced, until the moment of birth, where we catch up with our cosmic life tape. But what's interesting is the first person we see when we emerge from the zero point is the mother, the brother, the other. And so this one dimensional point dances over to meet this other, this brother, this other around the bed. And so in that first breath, second moment, we're being introduced to dimensionality. The soul I mean 2D is still pencil drawings on paper, but it's that reaching out of self to cry at the mother or be spanked by the nurse or whatever it is. But the reality is is that these lower two chakras become part of the very fabric of self.

Speaker 2 43:31

And the solar plexus. Again, I'm sure you've heard that a child will look in a mirror and it's only when it gets to a certain age, like about two, that it's looking in the mirror and it realizes it's seeing itself and not some other child. You know this self-awareness process, from that emergent first breath to realizing spatially who we are, it takes a while. It's like kind of the jelly mold setting. And so what I'm suggesting is that the lower three chakras help us manifest ourselves in space. Right, that's the base chakra, the solar plexus.

Speaker 2 44:14

Sorry, the navel chakra, the solar plexus but interestingly, when we emerge from this realization that we actually exist and we start looking outside of ourselves, we get the heart beat and the heart. And the heart beats with time. The heart beats with time. In the old days, when the Greeks measured the pulse, it was 60 beats a minute. The reality is that the heart beats with time and in order for us to realize and get access to other aspects, we need to understand that our lower selves are manifesting us in space and time. Lower selves are manifesting us in space and time. In other words, the lower four chakras are the equipment that is subconsciously allowing me to exist here and appreciate it, and that's, unfortunately, where most people get, and it's only when.

Speaker 2 45:07

I could describe it as a surfboard. The lower three chakras are our surfboard and we're riding this wave. It's not a wave that crashes on the beach, it's a wave that's kind of like a bore that goes down the river of consciousness. We can always get back on the board, but we need to be on the board, we need to be present. We get pulled off the board by dragging tentacles in the past or throwing anchors. You know, we stay on the board by being present, and if we ride the wave we call time down the river of consciousness, which is what human beings do rather than human doings, we then get access to all these other gifts, which, of course, operate beyond space and time, and that's why I can heal you when you're a seven-year-old girl, because I can take you on a journey to that space and time, because I've got equipment, and so have you, that operates beyond space and time. I think that's the important thing here.

Speaker 3 46:08

I have a question about this word biofield. I've been curious and I've actually asked this to other people who, let's say, work in this field of the biofield. I've been curious and I've actually asked this to other people who, let's say, work in this field of the biofield. And that is simply is it really biologically based? Does the same thing that we're talking about when we measure the biofield of a human, what happens when you measure the field of the planet, or when you measure the field and I'm not saying you've done that, but when you measure the field of a rock like, is there also a readout in those, and does that mean that non-biological things also have fields?

The Future of Biofield Science

Speaker 2 46:41

Well, I would argue that we need to go back to the beginning and understand what are the kingdoms of life. And when you measure anything in the kingdom of life, it's going to have a biofield, whether it's a rock or a plant or a human. So I think in your question you answered a very interesting question, which is a ceramic cup doesn't have a biofield. You know, things generally man-made, ironically, don't have biofields, but anything that's natural. I mean, in my first iteration I was taking pictures of crystals. You know, that's where we started. So yeah, it's just that we didn't understand that there's consciousness. Rumi did. Rumi understood that consciousness was awakening in crystals and plants, but they're still stuck there fighting for light. We've got legs. That's what the base chakra is designed to do is bring us there. We've then just got to show up with the rest of us.

Speaker 3 47:41

So I'm curious, though, just to follow up on that, if a crystal has a field, a crystal is not biological.

Speaker 2 47:48

So then is it oh no, hang on. Hang on a second. I'm talking about a raw, natural stone in the rock rock. I'm not talking about a grown ruby. I would agree with you a grown ruby, you'd have difficulty finding some life in it. But I can assure you crystals have life forms. They actually have entities that live in them, and, although you might be able to tell me what you think, I can assure you the human eye is graded to only see other carbon-based life forms, the entire hierarchy of carbon-based life forms, like tadpoles, like trees and like human beings and even my dog over there. But the reality is that there's hundreds of other elements that all have other hierarchies of life forms, and so right now, I can see a helium whale swimming through your room and you might just get a bit of a jolt. Are you saying there's a helium whale swimming through your room and you might just get a bit of a jolt?

Speaker 3 48:36

Are you saying there's a helium whale flowing through my room?

Speaker 2 48:39

No, it's already passed now. No, I'm just saying that we need to understand. The human being is calibrated for its own sense of fear to only witness other carbon-laced life forms. If you could see all that was going on, you wouldn't go out, I can assure you.

Speaker 1 48:56

You mentioned the magic word a moment ago, thornton. You mentioned consciousness, right. So we have the biofield, we have the biofield viewer and we have this hopefully emerging relationship between spirituality and science, which we see as being not contradictory but in fact one in the same. And we're seeing that this understanding now, hopefully of emerging knowledge, tentative interest right in understanding the biofield and scientific communities, it's an emerging area.

Speaker 2 49:26

Definitely yeah.

Speaker 1 49:27

What about this word consciousness? Because is this going to be the sticking point? Because how is it that we can get science and spirituality aligning without bringing this, you know big word consciousness, into the picture?

Speaker 2 49:37

well, I think you have to. I think I think all of the put it this way. I went to speak at a consciousness conference. They organized this big consciousness conference and I sat listening to these guys for two days and I realized we were speaking the same language. We just had different words.

Speaker 2 49:53

Um, the biofield is consciousness, that's what it is. If anyone asks me again what is the biofield, I say it's your consciousness, that's what it is. How we then integrate that with healing and modern science? Well, that's the better question. You know, let's have the x and y in the right spot.

Speaker 2 50:09

The biofield is the visible element of consciousness, and I say visible, you know loosely, because we had to develop technology to make it visible, but because it's there and it's measurable by other technologies as well. Therefore, it's something to be worthy of note. And because this I guess genie in the bottle consciousness has been trapped all this time, it's important for us, in all our different silos, to compare notes and realize that we've actually been all working on the same thing. Therefore, I find it very amusing when I see more Western conferences going on about consciousness where all 57 beings are in the can, about consciousness where all 57 beans are in the can. That to me is just laughable. Um, that the consciousness of the human being is somehow in the brain. Um, I mean, I did a huge amount of research in military hospitals with phantom pain and um filming phantom limbs of soldiers who'd lost their limbs, and I can assure you they're very conscious in their little pinkies. You know, they can still feel cold or heat.

Speaker 1 51:21

I mean, the name of this podcast is the Future of Wellness, so we always like to tilt things towards where you think might things be going from your area of expertise? What's the future here? What are the opportunities, what are the pitfalls, challenges of bringing biofield viewing to use your term into sort of mainstream and hopefully, the adoption of that, if that's something that you're hoping for.

Speaker 2 51:54

I think what was that? Anthony Fauci said trust the science. I am the science. I think that whole thing is a great opportunity for us to refresh what we mean by science. I mean, I consider myself a scientist, but I've spent my entire career being called a duck.

Speaker 2 52:08

I mean, come on, the reality is is that we need a level playing field before we can even have a discussion, and if that aspect of human nature needs to be hidden by a certain they, then I am witnessing a revolution in personal healthcare, where people are taking responsibility for themselves. And, to be honest, when people ask me who is your audience, thornton, I say the smart family, because they know what the hell's going on. They're the ones that have already stopped the fluoride coming through their showers on. They're the ones that have already stopped the fluoride coming through their showers. They've already kind of live in a place that's not massively irradiated. They're already kind of growing and eating their own enhanced foods, and I'm serving those people. There's no point banging your head against a wall. So I do think there's still going to be a few more decades of ignorance, the pushing of chemistry over biology. Well, chemistry is patentable. That's really the issue, and so we need to.

Speaker 2 53:25

I mean two words. Robert Kennedy, you know, maybe this guy can can actually stop the rot and invite people like me into a discussion, a roundtable, and then we'd cut to the make in about six hours and we'd be doing everything right. We can save the countries in the West from their own debt by dealing with this. Health care is the biggest ball and chain around our ankle. It's dragging us down. I mean, this is. I talk about national security. The irony is infinite here. So I am just waiting for the call, a bit like I did from the government in my country who wanted a COVID camera but couldn't handle discussing the third eye.

Speaker 3 54:20

Regarding the amount of data you've collected, the amount of biofields you've measured. We're used to hearing about chakras and meridians, et cetera, et cetera. I'm curious about any outliers, any anomalies you've seen in the field that have stood out to you, something that's kind of off the chart, something strange. We hear about things like cords between people's fields and I'm just wondering if there's anything that you've seen in a person's biofield that is hard to understand what it is or that is particularly unusual, that you'd want to share.

Speaker 2 54:49

Yeah, I mean, I think the low-hanging fruit from modern medicine is the transplant industry, the fact that the people whose organs are being donated travel with them, and so anyone who's had any kind of a transplant transfusion bit different. Um, the hologram is held definitely from an organ perspective. Um, yeah, I mean, yeah, I think entities are quite fairly anomalous. But then also sometimes you know, like, if you like, I did a workshop in bali and um, there's a template there of understanding, accepting things a little bit more of a certain type, and so they talk about casting spells on each other and possessing each other, and that all looks pretty funky. To be honest, that's anomalous, like what a spell looks like in someone's biofield or or, yeah, if they're possessed, yeah, that's weird too.

Speaker 2 55:53

Yeah, it's really important because you know the kind of place you're going to pick up an entity is in a hospital. So you know it's almost appropriate that we actually kind of stop and like hang on a minute. I mean it's funny, you know, you only need to try. Walk in a hospital with a shaman or or something like the barfield viewer, because they really don't know what they're doing and they don't have the right to be responsible for our well-being. Yeah, so, as you can tell, I'm pretty militant against modern medicine and the iteration we call science currently. It's not because I myself have been harassed. I've dodged the bullet, I certainly have. I've dodged the bullet, I certainly have. I've always stayed in the flavour on my board, but it's just been frustrating yeah, it's been frustrating that we're getting hoodwinked by chemistry and we could play in Eden with biology and physics.

Speaker 1 56:52

Before we sign off, then I'd love to ask for our listeners, who are interested in learning more about what you do and the work that you're committed to, what are some good resources to point them towards?

Speaker 2 57:02

Oh, I see. Yeah, well, I mean, I've got one of these funny names, haven't I? I'm not a Joe Smith, my name is, kind of. At least, if you type it in right, stuff will come up, so you know. If you are interested in learning further about biofield science, just tap my ugly name into the the alice in google land and dive into the rabbit hole that opens well, be sure to include a link as well.

Speaker 1 57:26

I have to have one of those names that it's not much, not much good asking people to reference on a domain like um, wonderful, uh. We just want to thank you so much for for sharing time, your wisdom, your insights with us today, thornton, it's been a real pleasure it's worked out really well.

Speaker 1 57:40

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