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Group Fields Explained: Why Healing Is More Powerful in Groups

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Why does healing feel so much more powerful in groups?
In this episode, we explore the mechanics of group fields — and why collective healing is not simply individual work multiplied.

In this episode Keith and Christabel explore group fields — what they are, how they form, and why healing in a group setting often feels more potent than one-to-one or solo work.

Group work isn’t just individual healing with more people in the room. When individuals gather with shared intention, a group field emerges — a system with its own intelligence, momentum and capacity for transformation.

Together, we break down the dynamics of:

  • The individual field, relational fields, and group fields
  • Why groups create exponential, not linear, effects
  • How collective intention and shared attention amplify healing
  • The role of coherence, resonance, and facilitation in group work
  • Why group fields feel stronger — and what’s actually happening

We also explore scientific and research-based perspectives on collective fields, including studies on shared intention, coherence, and mass participation — helping bridge lived experience with measurable effects.

This episode offers a grounded, demystified look at group healing for practitioners, facilitators, and anyone curious about why working in groups can accelerate insight, integration, and transformation.

Group fields are the foundation of our live trainings at Field Dynamics, including EHT-100: Level 1 — Energy Healing Training, where participants learn to work skillfully with individual, relational, and group field dynamics.

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Christabel Armsden

Hello and welcome to this episode of The Future of Wellness. Today we're going to be talking about a subject that is very close to our heart, and we're going to be talking about group fields. So we're often asked about group fields, and that's partly because this is actually the primary format of our trainings. People are curious about why we work in groups and what's actually different about it.

Keith Parker

Often people have this sense that there's something different about working in a group field versus one-on-one or by themselves. They sense something is different and always ask us lots of questions about what it's like to be group field facilitators. So this episode is dedicated to talking about the different dynamics in different group field settings and individual and relational field settings, et cetera, and making all of this much more clear.

Christabel Armsden

Whereas people might not have the language for it, they can feel that something fundamentally different is happening than say working one-on-one. And they're right, something is different. Going to be talking today about how group work is not just individual work multiplied. So it's not one on one-to-one work with more people in the room. A group is actually creating its own field with its own dynamics, intelligence, and effects. So in this episode, we're going to move away from the mysticism of group fields and the hype and actually break it down step by step what a group field is, how it forms, and why it works the way it does.

Keith Parker

A good way to navigate this material is going to be to build up the kinds of energetic dynamics between individuals, relationships, and groups so we can see how they're all different. So the first thing we want to cover, therefore, is the individual field. It's the development of an internal reference point. Because when you don't have interactions with anyone else, just yourself, then you get to build up an internal self-reference.

Christabel Armsden

At the most basic level, each of us has our own energy system and our own nervous system. And this is the field you're working with when, as Keith said, you're running energy on yourself, meditating, or doing any kind of self-practice.

Keith Parker

It's the groundwork that needs to be developed in terms of understanding yourself, understanding your own inner boundaries and inner clarity. Without individual practice and understanding your own individuated field, how can you understand the dynamics of connecting to anything else?

Christabel Armsden

So over time, that internal clarity is what's allowing us to meet the external world with far more intelligence. It's where we learn how our system behaves without needing anything else involved. As soon as another person enters the picture, something new happens. And here we move on to relational fields. So when two people interact, we have the sum of the two parts, as it were, and also a third field emerges. This is what we call a relational field. So formally, this will show up in relationships such as practitioner and client or therapist and client. But informally, actually, it's everywhere with our partners, our family members, our coworkers. The learning curve here is that relational fields create mirroring. They start to show us what's mine, what's yours, and what's actually happening between us. So for practitioners, this is where discernment really starts to sharpen. We're beginning to learn what's my energy, what's not my energy, and what is moving through the interaction itself. And that distinction is far more nuanced and important than most people realize.

Keith Parker

That third field that you mentioned is maybe helpful to give a kind of visual analog. If we think of two overlapping circles, there's going to be the place where the circles overlap, and there's a different thing than where they're individuated versus where they're overlapped. So we can call them overlapping, we can call them merging, we can call them interacting, but nonetheless, it's this thing where two people's energy interact and a this third component emerges. And this is where things get really interesting, where there's issues of discernment, what's mine, what's yours, etc. And it's the beginning of self and other.

Christabel Armsden

All right. So each layer, we can see we're painting a picture here that each layer is building capacity for the next. So in understanding group fields properly, it's really helpful to see them as part of this stack or progression from the individual field through to the relational field. And at that point, we reach the hinge point to what we refer to as the group field. And this is really at the heart of the field dynamics work and what Keith and I do in terms of the training sessions we offer. We're bringing multiple individuals together into a shared space, right? A group. And in doing so, a different order of the field is starting to emerge again, the group field. And a group field is not simply the sum of individuals, it's not everyone's personal stuff added together. It's not just that. In fact, it's becoming, you might say, its own living system. And we see this uh with families, with work environments, right? Working cultures. You see it in sports teams, you see it in training cohorts, just as ourselves. And for most people, the most intimate group field that they've ever been a part of is their family. But the same principles can apply to any shared social or energetic environment. So we could think of the group field as an organism, right? Not an average. And organisms have patterns, momentum, memory, and intelligence. And in the context of healing work, that's super crucial.

Keith Parker

People quite quickly pick up on how much more potency there is in a group field. So they might be used to a self-practice or working with a practitioner, but they drop into the group field and people say, wow, that's quite a bit stronger than these other kinds of healing dynamics that I'm used to. Why is that the case? And as you mentioned, Christabel, it is not a linear kind of situation. It is a logarithmic effect. It is an exponential curve when you keep adding people together. I want to reference some studies that have been done on this, specifically Lynn McTaggart's work and her book on the intention experiment, where she measured and studied groups of people holding shared intentions and measured what the outcomes were of what they applied those intentions to, and showed that there were statistically significant effects on the outcomes of those intentions. So the simple findings are that collective focused attention can measurably affect physical or biological systems. The effects of these groups and holding shared intention was strongest when the intention was clear, when there was an emotional engagement, and when everybody was working together, working simultaneously. So this is a big deal. This is something that people should be really interested in, I hope. And that is the underlying kind of special ingredient and some of the mysteriousness as to the potency of when you work with a group and that group has clear, coordinated intention behind it, the potency goes up very significantly.

Christabel Armsden

And this is something we're experiencing week in, week out, year in, year out in our in our trainings. And it's been really fascinating to watch that and to engage with and learn from the directly, experientially, the power of group dynamics in a therapeutic context over the last five, six, seven years or so. It's important to mention as we're referencing the fields here that group fields don't stop at small groups like we've just described, but they of course scale outward. And as part of this nesting of fields, it's really worth mentioning here the collective field. So any shared experience at scale creates a collective field. So we can think of major world events in this context. We can think of the collective of humanity. I'm sure many people have heard the collective field of humanity being discussed. So people who are directly connected, that might be geographically, relationally, emotionally, carries a very different field relationship to it. And some people are profoundly impacted by these collective fields, where others might register it more abstractly. But the difference isn't about sensitivity, it's about relevance and connection. So our core takeaway here about group fields and collective fields is that field impact is determined by intention, as Keith shared. It's determined to some extent by proximity, but mostly by participation and relationship. So when we talk about group fields, we're not talking about something abstract or theoretical. We're actually talking about a layered living system, if you will, that we're already part of consciously or not. So the question here becomes: how aware are we of the fields that we're in and occupying and how skillfully are we meeting that?

Keith Parker

This is a different paradigm that we are talking about here, especially when you said, Christabel, about scaling. So the key thing is it's not only about formal practice, it's about wherever our attention and our shared activity is. So family fields are group fields, like informally, right? Work environments create group fields. Sports teams create group fields. Anything that we do where we're sharing and co-participating in something, our energy, our attention, and this field phenomena of interaction is taking place. This is a big deal. It doesn't matter if it's conscious or unconscious, where you place your attention, where other people are also circulating and sharing their attention. You are interacting with that shared field information. This is a different paradigm in the way we might start to think about what it's like to navigate the intense and dense information systems of today. There have been amazing studies on this work as well that I'll mention in brief here, two of them, really relevant. The first of which is the Transcendental Meditation Community and all the work they did on mass meditation studies, and that is big groups of transcendental meditators practicing simultaneously, would noticeably reduce things like crime rates, hospital admissions, conflict intensity, stress indicators. They had multiple studies to do this, and it's really fascinating to consider these kinds of effects. The theoretical framework of this, as it's often called the Maharishi effect, is simply that when a group of people are particularly coherent, it calms everything else. The other study to mention here is the research that's done at the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab or the Pair Lab. Now, we were very lucky to have Roger Nelson on this podcast a while ago. And that lab studies how human consciousness appears to influence random physical systems. So it's about random number generators being affected to show that there's non-randomness being introduced because of field effects. And so this has been studied at many, many levels. And in particular, what they're looking at is when major collective events take place, like 9-11 large global tragedies, major holidays, is there a change in statistically significant ways, revealing somehow that the group field effect of the entirety of humanity or a large swath of it is actually having measurable effects? And the answer to that in many, many iterations has been yes. So as we scale out from individual to relational to group fields to the overall collective field, the mass consciousness of this planet, there is a shared field at that level as well, which we're all participating in and which has measurable effects.

Christabel Armsden

Then what we're really leaning into here, I think, and is worth making the distinction very clearly at this point, is the distinction between conscious and unconscious participation. Where we have a formal practice and an intentional practice, uh, this is, as we mentioned earlier, something like our meditation practice, our yoga, our energy healing practice. We're intentionally structuring and connecting to these nested fields, be that to our own energy field in our self-practice, be that in a session exchange between participants, two people involved, be that in a group field setting. And in doing that, we're we're really trying to narrow the field, reduce the external input a little and create conditions, favorable conditions, if you will, where our attention and presence can sharpen. And that's what's actually allowing us to create sufficient clarity or calm to start to be able to see what's happening in your system. That's really a much more tangible engagement and a very effective way of engaging with fields over time as you become more and more practiced and skilled in that. And this is what we are training people in, of course. Then we have that informal life practice and experience, right? And this is actually just life as it happens, right? It's messier. There are lots of inputs, there's lots of relational dynamics, there's more demands. We are not necessarily bringing our presence moment to moment to all of these experiences, and it's making it a lot harder to track things clearly. So it's really important in a conversation about the potency of group fields, particularly in a therapeutic context, to make that distinction between where we're consciously engaging with material and where actually we are engaging, known or unknown, unconsciously.

Keith Parker

Sometimes we're engaged in a conscious manner, and sometimes we're engaged in an unconscious manner, and yet we're still engaged. The difference is quite stark and strong when you look at the results of those interactions. And you know this when you start to do things in life, when you have a kind of formal practice where you work with others or you develop your own inner practice, you notice the effects of spending time in fields that are moving towards greater levels of coherency. It's an unmistakable effect and one that's quite desirable once you get used to it.

Christabel Armsden

Okay, so having set up all that context, now's a great time to jump into fields and group fields in the context of therapeutic work, which is what we specialize in and have done for a number of years. Firstly, let's talk about facilitation of a group field. There's there's two angles to a group field, of course. There is facilitation and there is participation. So, in one instance, you're a spaceholder, a facilitator, and in another instance, you are participating as a client, as an attendee. Firstly, let's talk about the role of individuals in the group field, right? And from a facilitation perspective. And I think one of the most common misunderstandings about group work, and this certainly comes up with our trainees, is the idea that the facilitator sort of has an intimate engagement specifically with scanning each individual and tracking each individual specifically within that group field. It's much more appropriate, engaging and harmonious, if you will, within a group setting, within group facilitation, not to tune into individual fields, but instead to bring all your attention and presence to holding that overall group field. Because as a facilitator for a group field, you're responsible for that ongoing coherence, integrity, and safety of the shared field, right? And we might say this is not for privileging individual processes, but actually holding that group field container and experience as the high point, as the as the reason to be of the group coming together.

Keith Parker

If we zoom out a bit, we start with saying, okay, you're in the role of being a facilitator. And the primary thing to be doing is holding space. And that space is just about neutrality, non-judgment, about letting things move. And that's that's the qualities of presence that we talk about all the time. From that point of facilitation, you then apply it to an individual. And everybody can imagine if you work one-on-one with somebody, the only thing that you're tracking is you and the other person. So that dynamic is easily trackable, at least in the most general logical sense. We can all imagine there's me and there's them. And the better that you get at understanding yourself, the more clear it's going to be to understand what someone else's energy is. That exchange becomes clearer and clearer over time as you work more and more within yourself and as you accrue more experience and hours working with others. Moving up, though, to the scale of the group, as you're saying, Christabel, is quite different because all of a sudden, instead of going one-to-one, maybe you're working with 12 people simultaneously. Are you actually noticing 12 different fields interacting with yours? Or are you noticing the aggregate of the group field interacting with yours? And that's the interesting question. I think that's where people are often asking us to talk about what's our experience doing facilitation with group fields because we do it so much.

Christabel Armsden

So we might summarize that by saying like a private session or a one-to-one experience is individual tracking, right? It's high resolution. It's nuanced, it's precise, it's personal. We're tracking a specific nervous system, if you will, a specific energy system, a specific history. For group holding, group field holding, it's much more amorphous, it's more distributed, it's more systemic, right? We're sensing patterns, tone, rhythm, pressure, movement across the whole field. So that's not to say that group field tracking is not also precise and personal and nuanced, and that's not to say that there aren't patterns and tones and rhythms in one-to-one work. But we're much more in this umbrella space of holding a summary, if you will, of the, I like to think of it as uh sort of each individual in the group field is an instrument within the overall orchestra of the group field. And the beauty of that work in terms of therapeutic is that each individual's processing and experience is held and shared to some extent. And that's one of the most potent, powerful, useful aspects of group field work, right? We're in this shared space that's held with a lot of safety and containment. And the opportunity to be able to access deeper held materials and patterns within the potency of this container is incredible.

Keith Parker

So there are two really important things to mention to better understand what you're talking about. And one's called sympathetic resonance, and the other is coherency. Sympathetic resonance is talking about the phenomena that one person's, let's say, anxiety comes up in the group field because a particular person in that group is dealing with anxiety as a result of the healing process. So they're feeling anxiety. Anxiety as an energy is starting to move, right? Starting to circulate through the group. Now, on the one hand, that means that that energy becomes shared. And sympathetically, there will be resonance with other people in the group who have anxiety, unresolved anxiety, because it will start to activate and/or resonate, vibrate their anxiety. So it's not the phenomena that somebody is taking on somebody else's anxiety, but rather that that anxiety is being mirrored, reflected, and resonant within their own anxiety. So it presents this opportunity, as you described, for person to get more in touch with it. Now, that certainly is very different than the language that is sometimes used by some people, which says taking on someone else's energy. So it's important to reference that as a it's a very clean healing mechanism that is extremely beneficial and intentional. Secondly, coherency is a very important thing here. Now that is The role of the facilitator. Christabel and I have been holding these group fields through field dynamics through the training now for over six years. And group fields require a different kind of development within an individual's energy system. When you're working one-on-one with somebody, yes, the tracking is different, but also the amount of processing is also quite different. So if we think of the flow of energy in one's field as a kind of like a turbine, that it's an engine, it moves faster and faster. When we actually get our field to be more open, more flowing, the speed in a sense goes up. The ability to metabolize things becomes easier. And on a certain kind of mechanical sense, your field can move faster. It also moves slower simultaneously in that it's an expression top to bottom more fully. But we can think of it as speed. It's the easiest way of thinking about it. When you're working with a group field, you're being asked to process not one, but many, many, many things moving at the same time. And so your own system needs to really develop significantly. And so you might say that the mark of a facilitator's field to be able to work in groups is that they need to really develop more coherency, more internal organization within their own system. So that as things are being introduced, as external torsions, tensions, energies that are stuck, emotions, et cetera, as those things start to dislodge from individuals within the group, as the facilitator, you're the primary processor. And your system needs to chug away, metabolize, and move quicker and quicker to be able to essentially digest those things so that it can circulate out of the group and be healed effectively. And again, it's important. This is not the facilitator taking on anything, but what it is is it's a space for processing.

Christabel Armsden

So the kind of questions we might be asking ourselves as facilitators in the space, what's the quality of this field in this present moment? Right? Where's a contraction or flow? Does the group field feel regulated? Does it feel scattered? Does it feel grounded? Does it feel a bit up and out? It's something trying to move or resolve. And the signals that are being experienced reading that sort of um umbrella summary field don't specifically belong to any one person, as it were. So as facilitators, when we start tracking individuals inside a group, two things, you know, tend to happen. You're starting to sort of fragment your connection to the overall field. So your attention is naturally narrowing and you're disconnecting to a certain extent from that broader group field intelligence. Whereas holding the group as a whole means that you're trusting the field to do what it needs to do without micromanaging to the sort of individual storylines or narratives held within it. This is less about intervention, I'd like to say, right, at this point. It's more about attunement. When it's done well, the individuals within that field are actually supported more, not less, because we're allowing and facilitating the overall directional flow that's intending to that is desire us to take place, to uh to move and to shift and for transformation and transmutation to take place. And the there's something I'd like to add here that I think is really important. We're talking very much from the perspective of holding a group field, but crucially, what about the experience of being held within that group field? And this is something that our clients, trainees, students, attendees feedback on regularly. In fact, I think it's safe to say, Keith, that arguably one of the most common comments we receive as feedback from our trainings is a level of sort of before and after surprise at what it is to experience the potency of a group field in this context.

Keith Parker

Yeah, the group field is very supportive. And it's because of these things we've talked about today, particularly the potency component, it is very potent. It's a very strong energy system to engage with when a group field is held well. Because my engagement winds up being with the aggregate of the system, is the word that I always use. It becomes an aggregate. Everybody's field gets kind of intermixed into an aggregate to work with, and it depersonalizes everything and actually makes it more of a universal approach to allowing presence and stillness and the coherency to churn over what is going by. So you could say that there are these like challenges that come from working with an individual, and there are different challenges that come with working with a group. I think the individual challenge is that tracking is of paramount complexity when you're working with an individual, in the sense that that skill is extremely valuable to be able to follow and track individual changes. When you're working with a group, your energy system needs to be really, really developed to be able to handle the amount of horsepower that is being kind of worked through and the individual tracking requirements go down very significantly. So this is the big push-pull to me of individuals versus groups and something in a more mechanistic way to think about uh how this works.

Christabel Armsden

So if we reflect that an individual energy field can be imagined a little bit like a tornado, right? There's a stillness at the center and movement around it. Energy is circulating, it's organizing, it's responding. And when we move into group work, that same dynamic is multiplied. Only there's more torsion, more velocity, more pressure. So group fields are carrying far more momentum, and that momentum changes everything. If we reframe that in terms of a processing and healing perspective, that processing energy is movement. So healing isn't about fixing, but instead it's about restoring that movement to areas where there's stagnation, distortion, stuckness. So, as Keith was sharing, when energy is stuck, the field slows down, right? And responsiveness drops and the flow diminishes. And at the extreme end, the group field is having challenge, it's having sort of density. When a group carries unresolved emotional material, the field doesn't just slow, but it accumulates pressure. So that's why group field can feel much more intense, not because it's chaotic, but because there's so much stored energy in the summary of the system. So a facilitator isn't just working with one sort of seized up system, but they're holding a field with multiplied pressure. And so really having to concentrate to help bring an aid movement and to allow that to resume. So that skill requires skill regulation and timing.

Keith Parker

And again, I think this is why people really receive such benefit and enjoy and are often surprised at the potency of group fields. Just as Lynn McTaggart did those experiments and she measured it. We have been privy to dozens of training cohorts where people they see the results of working in an intentional and clear group field, how they have transformed so much in a short amount of time, how they've processed so much in a short amount of time, how they've gotten to deep aspects of shadow and subconscious in such a short amount of time. Because when you get into a group field that is well facilitated, a lot happens in a little amount of time.

Christabel Armsden

And people particularly, I think, uh often comment, Keith, on how that changes over the duration of working within uh the group field as well. So many people notice, especially those who've been doing the work for some time, that there's a sort of cumulative effect. And as the group field gathers coherency, as the community of a training cohort strengthens and develops as trust is built with facilitation, um, but also within the members of the group itself, that the work feels stronger over time, right? Not louder or more dramatic necessarily, but more potent. And I'd say there are a couple of reasons for that. Uh one you've mentioned is practitioner development, ours included, right? So our own systems are much more refined than they were years ago. There's a greater tolerance for velocity, for pressure, there's more capacity within us as individuals to stay present when things move quickly. And I think that that's, I would hope that that's a skill set that only continues to evolve as our own inner process continues to evolve. The other thing I'd mention is that the tools themselves that are being used, and this is specifically in the context of the EHT and the energy healing tools that we're presenting and sharing. And hundreds of people are now practiced with these tools, right? They've been used, they've been tested, they've been embodied, lived with, shared with. And there's a concept, we might say, in biology and systems theory called morphogenetic fields, and the basic idea is that information becomes more available the more it is used, right? So the learning doesn't just live in the individuals, but it lives in the summary field of all those holding it. So you'll speak to this as well, I know, but we might say that when a tool is used, when it is practiced repeatedly, something really interesting starts to happen. It starts to interface much more easily from our perspective with the human energy field, right? The access becomes smoother. There's less effort required to enter the state in which the tool is desired to support.

Keith Parker

Yeah, this is the work of Rupert Sheldrake and Morphic Fields, uh, or field memory, field resonance. Uh, it really gives it a more of a scientific kind of box or nomenclature to work with. And it's simply, like you said, that things that are introduced at the field level are remembered. And so the familiarity or the memory makes things go deeper over time. Studies that have been done, for example, just as a really clear example, is that they'll expose rats to learning a maze in Australia, and the rats will run that maze for the first time in Australia, and then they introduce a group of rats over in North America to the same maze, and reliably and in a statistically significant way, the rats are able to run the maze much quicker. So there's something of a field memory that's taken on. And this applies to something like energy work, like we're doing, where there is a tool set in field dynamics. There's a big menu given out. And as the years have passed and as we've used these tools over and over again, and as individuals have practiced with them and practiced on themselves and with clients over time, the memory, the field memory of these tools actually deepens. They become more potent, both because of this memory effect, as mentioned, but also, as you also said, which is that our own systems have evolved over time. And there's been quite the learning curve in the last six years. I know that the first, you know, a couple of years of the EHT, it was quite different to hold a group field than it is now. Um, there were times when our own systems maybe were pushed or brought about certain challenges to be able to get over the hump of certain kinds of emotional processing, et cetera, both within what individuals were needing to have processed through the group or what it sympathetically would resonate within us, either or. And as time has gone on, holding a group field has become increasingly simplified, uh, in a certain sense, easier. And that's why there's also this greater potency, uh greater speed and coherency to the group fields when we're working with them now.

Christabel Armsden

I love this perspective. Um, for me, we might say that, you know, field dynamics is a, it's really a living system, right? It's not a static methodology, but it's very much a living system. And it evolves as it is practiced, as we evolve, as we facilitate. We're in this wonderful dynamic as facilitators with our attendees, where we have the honor and privilege of learning and experiencing, of course, alongside them. So I hope you've enjoyed uh today's episode. Primarily, what we've discussed is that healing doesn't happen in a vacuum, right? It happens within the field. It's happening through resonance, not isolation. Um, and that many things that we offer at Field Dynamics are really rooted in this power of group field dynamics. When a group gathers with uh intention, something really extraordinary but subtle emerges. Um, a field of coherence, of opportunity, where people can commit to healing, working with old patterns, and new possibilities come alive. So we think of this not just as therapeutic support, but we might say energetic architecture, how real change actually takes shape.

Keith Parker

I absolutely love working with group fields, and it seems like uh the feedback from community is the same. Maybe that's part of what is going on with the human learning experience, and that is that we can do only so much as individuals, but we're being asked to work within groups, to cooperate, to communicate, to be in communion with one another. And so maybe group fields avail themselves of this potency because it's where our attention often needs to get to, at least at a certain point. So we've covered this kind of strata of individual to relational to groups, and it's a really diverse full set of understanding how we're interacting energetically within ourselves and all the way out to the collective. Hopefully, this has informed everybody why group healing is so powerful and a bit about the dynamics that underlie them. Once you understand how group fields work, you might stop asking why they're powerful and start asking how you can engage with them in a more conscious manner.

Christabel Armsden

Thanks for taking the time to listen today. Um, I think that Keith would concur, this is a subject we could talk about for some length of time. Maybe it's a theme we'll return to uh for later episodes because it really does uh lie at the heart of our work, our offerings with Field Dynamics. So we look forward to connecting with you again in the future. Do please like, subscribe, leave a review on the podcast. It really does help us to reach more people. Uh, if you're interested in learning more about this or even having a one-to-one chat about how um the EHT program and group fields might best support your process, uh, do feel free to reach out. We'd be delighted to have a chat. As Keith shared, um, this is our great passion, and we look forward to the opportunity to connect with those who resonate with this work.